Two Chinese language bloggers, John Pasden of Sinosplice and Albert Wolfe of Laowai Chinese point out the limits of Ni Hao (你好) and Ni Hao Ma (你好吗).

Pasden calls Ni Hao Ma? (你好吗?) a “greeting with training wheels” noting that while it is one of the first phrases foreigners learn “Chinese people themselves rarely use is.

I can confirm what many others have also observed: that native speakers very rarely use 你好吗? with each other….

But over time, I’ve noticed another thing. Chinese people do say 你好吗? to foreigners. They’re especially likely to use it with foreigners when they know the foreigner knows very little Chinese, or if they suspect as much and are just testing the waters…

I now view the 你好吗? phenomenon as a sort of linguistic training wheels. It’s something you learn early on, and then try to move away from as quickly as possible.

Wolfe calls nǐ hǎo (你好) “A Very Fake Greeting.” He shared an encounter he had with a teacher in China.

“Nǐ hǎo 你好,” I said. He stopped his walk and said, in all sincerity that most people don’t say “nǐ hǎo” 你好 as a greeting. It just sounds too fake (tài jiǎ de 太假的)….. He was perfectly serious. He was even explaining it to one of his Chinese colleagues who was standing there too (as if he didn’t know!). The colleague, in all earnestness, was agreeing and adding little tid bits of his own to the advice.

Pasden quotes a user on Quora.com who says this:

I wouldn’t say it’s insincere, but it’s just that among all the choices of ways to greet people, it tends to be much less used in informal conversation. How many times do you use hello vs. other greetings (hey, hi, yo, how’s it going, etc.) in English?

Pasden weighs in on the nǐ hǎo (你好) issue on his own blog.

你好 isn’t evil. Neither is “hello.” You can’t be friends with the whole world, and your language reflects that, in any language.

Non-native speakers will encounter both Ni Hao (你好) and Ni Hao Ma (你好吗) so it should be taught. It presents an opportunity for a cultural lesson to new learners that there are other ways to greet people in Chinese, especially friends.

Chinese characters can be dangerous

by Brian on October 16, 2011

An excellent Chinese language blog is Hanzi Smatter: Dedicated to the Misuse of Chinese characters in Western Culture. Tattoo artists and graphic designers who do not know Chinese can be very dangerous as Tian documents on his site. Below are just a few examples. Check with Tian’s original posts for a more thorough explanation.

This is the Chinese character for love, backwards. Original image came from CheckOut MyInk.com*.
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“Why Chinese?” October 9 News Roundup

by Brian on October 9, 2011

Capistrano Trustees Approve Mandarin Chinese Immersion Program.

The Capistrano Unified School District trustees on Monday approved a Mandarin Chinese immersion program, the first in an Orange County public school system and one of about 80 nationwide.

“A challenging economic environment is no excuse for not being able to offer new and innovative educational programs requested by our community,” South Orange County School Board Clerk John M. Alpay said in a statement. “There is intense demand for this language, and in an era of school choice and competition, our ability to offer this program to our families reaffirms this District’s status as an innovative provider of quality education.”

“The third pillar of the District’s strategic plan is academic achievement and enrichment. Adding this program fits right into the vision for helping student become successful in both college and career,” Trustee Anna Bryson said. “Allowing students this intense language focus will ensure that they are bilingual and biliterate when they graduate, which gives them an advantage over many of their peers who will not have this opportunity.”

Mandarin now offered at Manhattan Beach Middle School.

Manhattan Beach Middle School applied and was accepted for a grant and partnership with the Confucius Institute at San Diego State University to help bring Mandarin courses to the middle school.

“[Learning Mandarin] could really open some doors for them down the line,” said Carolyn Seaton, Manhattan Beach Unified School District executive director of educational services.

Mandarin minor considered at The University of Texas at Arlington as China rises economically

“Therefore, knowledge of an Asian language would be important because the economic center of gravity is moving to the east,” Business professor Abdul Rasheed said.

“I’m taking this class because the military needs more Chinese speakers,” said electrical engineering junior Muamba Muanankese.

“What is consistent today might not be important tomorrow, but if we embrace the Chinese language politically, economically, culturally, we will be stronger as a country,” said political science professor Mark Cichock.

Local teen travels to China for study

“I want to help people solve problems, to help make connections with the United States,” said Max Drach, 17, of Wilmington, New Hampshire.

Chinese language education coming to Grant Elementary, Columbia, MO

“It fits into (Columbia Independent School’s) global mission as we understand that there cannot be global understanding without the primary component of the language of the world, which is why CIS also puts language instruction at the forefront of its curriculum,” said Viviane Ducret, chair of modern languages for the private school.

Growing demand for Asian languages at Zayed University, United Arab Emerates

“Giving the young people of the UAE a chance to learn about Asia will help them to distinguish themselves in a competitive job market,” said Christopher Brown, founding director of the International College at Zayed University.

Ross Institute Marks Ross School’s 20th Anniversary with Expanded School-Wide Focus on Chinese Language, History and Culture

“As stewards of Ross Institute and School, we are guided by the Founder’s vision and the School’s mission to ensure that all students are well-equipped to succeed in life. Expanding opportunities at Ross School for students to deeply understand China through study of Chinese culture and Mandarin Chinese reflects our responsibility to assure that students leave Ross School with many opportunities and options,” said Board Member, Dr. Catherine Hickey, former Secretary of Education and Superintendent of Schools, Archdiocese of New York.

Dance presentation highlights China’s cultural diversity

October 9, 2011

Dancers representing the dance and culture of China’s most prominent ethnic groups twirled and leaped across the stage Saturday in the Nashville Public Library. The Chinese Arts Alliance of Nashville (CAAN) presented “We Are One” (百族一家)during a free show in the library’s auditorium. The show included dances from the Han, Tibetan, Manchu, Hui, and Mongol [...]

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Private school has served the Chattanooga area since 1978

October 8, 2011

Former Chattanooga Chinese School principal Huang Li and current principal Thelma Chan CHATTANOOGA, TENN— The Chattanooga Chinese School has served Tennessee’s fourth largest city and Hamilton County for 33 years. The school, which meets Sunday afternoons in Chattanooga State Community College’s Albright Administration Building, currently enrolls 70 students in nine different classes. The school offers [...]

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Murfreesboro City Schools hosts Chinese program funded by the US State Department

October 4, 2011

The Daily News Journal reports that the Teachers of Critical Languages Program has funded a program in Murfreesboro City Schools to teach Chinese in city schools for a second year. The Teachers of Critical Languages Program is funded by the U.S. Department of State and is designed to encourage Americans to study Arabic and Mandarin. [...]

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Confucius Institute and Williamson County may partner in K-12 program

October 4, 2011

The Tennessean reports today that three representatives from the Confucious Institute in Memphis met with Williamson County officials to consider a partnership in creating a K-12 Chinese program and a cultural center in the former Pinewood Elementary School. The Williamson County School District is currently planning to create a second-language program for kindergarten through the [...]

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Hollywood Attempts to Speak Chinese

August 28, 2011
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Could Nashville support a Chinese language immersion school?

August 21, 2011

In the nation’s capital, the commitment and dedication of Mary Shaffner resulted in the creation of a Chinese-language immersion elementary school that teaches 240 Washington, D.C. area students. The Yu Ying Public Charter School, currently located in the Brookland neighborhood about five miles from the nation’s capital, opened its doors in the fall of 2008 [...]

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